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dealmaker
07-18-2006, 01:51 PM
Back in spring of '03 I bought a 2/1 off the MLS and sold it the same day on one of my "specials", "owner will finance with $2K down". I grossed $16K on the deal and never touched it as the seller had done all work for a contract that fell through.

Now fast forward 3 years, buyer (husband) has spent 1/2 of that time in jail, she finally divorced him and kept the 2 kids, gets a new boyfriend in with her. In the 3 years I think they may have made ONE payment on time so I've been getting an extra $40/month. She tells me she's going to move out of state and wants to give house to her Mom, who's been making her payments anyway.

Her Mom called me yesterday to bring the payment (including late charge) and wants to find out about "paperwork" on the house. We set up a meeting for Wednesday evening. The guy is no longer in the picture, not sure if he's still in county lock-up or just gone. Mom and her husband want to get the deed-they're living there now, I think.

The mortgage has a due on sale clause so I'm perfectly within my rights to call it, it's 8 1/2%, $62,250 balance, it's a 30 year amortization with a 10 year balloon, so it's got 7 years to run. On another of my deals I could probably get about $70-$75K on the open market.

At a minimum I'm going to charge them for drawing the documents, and make them do all the work of tracking down the missing son-in-law and getting his signature. 8.5% is a bit low for shaky credit folks and I'd like to "goose" my income a bit if I could.

Give me some ideas here. Or if you think I'm just being greedy, tell me that.

Thanks

dealmaker

landtrustwizard
07-18-2006, 02:11 PM
Just treat them as you would like to be treated and I'm sure you won't have a problem.

:SM093:

Debbie
07-18-2006, 02:16 PM
Definitely NOT greedy!

Follow your rules with the buyer to the letter.

Begin anew with another buyer, even if it's the parents.

Don't make it difficult for yourself in the long run by being a "nice" guy----I can just see potential problems with you, current buyers (spouses) and buyer's parents ending up in court.

Just be a professional "banker" and do the right way---nice, clean, professional and legal.

IMHO, if I were you, I'd call DOS with current buyer, kick the parents out and make a clean slate with a new buyer who's not related to current buyer.

Debbie

landtrustwizard
07-18-2006, 02:34 PM
If Mom is making the payments and is living there now, I'd draw up a new, iron-clad lease for her and Pops. Mom appears to be the reliable one so why not give her a chance and avoid the potential headaches you may well be facing with eviction/foreclosure?

dealmaker
07-18-2006, 02:48 PM
From reading your responses I guess I wasn't clear enough.

I'd draw up a new, iron-clad lease for her and Pops

I can't lease the house, I don't own it. It was a fee simple sale, not a CFD or L/O! I'm in TX and it's actually easier and cleaner to do a sale than either other option.

I'd call DOS with current buyer

Technically they haven't "sold it", I guess just leased it to Mom would be the correct legal description.

I guess I'm in the boat that I once heard someone describe about owner financing your free and clear rentals, "make sure it's a 'happy/happy' deal". In other words make sure you're happy with the price and the terms because unlike a lease that gets renewed (generally at a higher rate) you don't get to do that once you've sold.

I'm actually not trying to "snake" anyone, but I wouldn't mind bumping my income.

dealmaker

Debbie
07-18-2006, 03:05 PM
I can't lease the house, I don't own it. It was a fee simple sale, not a CFD or L/O! I'm in TX and it's actually easier and cleaner to do a sale than either other option.

:SM032: That's a new one for me. I have absolutely no idea what in the world is fee simple sale as well as not owning the house. I understand CFD/Lease Opt. I know it's "illegal" in Texas for Sub 2. But Fee Simple Sale? Don't own the house? :SM006:

You got some 'splaining to do!

landtrustwizard
07-18-2006, 03:12 PM
Sub 2 is not illegal in Texas yet. It's North Carolina where they will be illegal. Lease options ARE illegal in Texas, unless you own the home free and clear. This is a case where the poster is the bank and carrying the loan. Give the parents a choice -- either you call the loan due and they leave, or you re-write it with a little bump for your hip pocket and they and you get a fresh start.

dealmaker
07-18-2006, 06:54 PM
Sorry Debbie; I should've just said "Warranty Deed" sale.

Landtrustwizard; That's what I was looking for. I just needed some words to use as I often come across as a bit "harsh" when explaining simple things to people who don't understand them.

Thanks all

dealmaker

Debbie
07-18-2006, 07:07 PM
Sorry Debbie; I should've just said "Warranty Deed" sale.

Ohhhhh! Gotcha!