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ThreeRiversREI
01-12-2007, 10:52 PM
The full article is available here. (http://www.inman.com/hstory.aspx?ID=61172)

Someone was commenting the other day about the difficulties in downsizing. When this article came across Inman News, it reminded me and I wanted to relay part of it.

Further back, someone ELSE was asking about buying a primary residence KNOWING that they'd be moving before 2 years were up, but wondering if they'd be able to take advantage of any portion of the Section 121 exemption.

The quotes below seem to give guidance to both situations. As always, consult your attorney, CPA, tax adviser, etc. to verify the details for your specific situation. Batteries not included.


HOW TO QUALIFY FOR THIS TAX BREAK. Whether you own and live in a house, condo, cooperative apartment or other type of principal residence, you can qualify for Uncle Sam's most generous tax exemption. To be eligible, you must have owned and occupied your primary dwelling at least 24 of the last 60 months before its sale.

Involves a bunch of moving, but would allow you to exclude a good chuck on the built up capital gain in a rental property that you have little to no basis in due to 1031 Starker Exchanges and depreciation. Move in for 2 years, sell, and *poof* $250k per owner.

Single home sellers can qualify for up to $250,000 tax-free profits. A married couple filing a joint tax return can qualify for up to $500,000 tax-free capital gains if both spouses meet the occupancy test even if only one spouse's name is on the title.

The method of holding title doesn't matter. Title can even be held in a revocable living trust, as millions do, to avoid probate.

However, if there are two co-owners not married to each other, then both names must be on the title for each to qualify. Military and Foreign Service members have special generous rules allowing the 24-month occupancy period as far back as 15 years before the home sale.
Not sure how that would apply to holding title in a partnership, LLC, or corporate name. But the property could always be transfered for $1 for the sole purpose or retitling it appropriately if necessary.

If you bought your principal residence as recently as 24 months ago, and occupied it since then, you meet the ownership and occupancy test. The 24-month residency need not be continuous. Brief temporary absences, such as for a 30-day vacation, count as occupancy time.

However, if you acquired your home in an Internal Revenue Code 1031 tax-deferred exchange as a rental property, and later converted it to your principal residence, for such sales after Oct. 22, 2004, you must own the property at least 60 months (24 of which it must be your principal residence).

Here's the first "gotcha". If you did a Starker Exchange, you have to hang onto it for a full 5 years. Likely not a problem in liquidating property you've held for a long time, but a potential problem when combined with the below.


The IRS says principal-residence indicators -- if you own more than one residence -- are (1) place of employment; (2) principal abode for the taxpayer's family members; (3) address on taxpayer's federal and state income tax returns; (4) location of taxpayer's banks; (5) automobile and driver's license registrations; (6) voting location; and (7) civic affiliations, such as taxpayer's religious organizations and other membership groups.

That's "gotcha" number 2. If you DO move from rental to rental, making them your "primary residence" for 24 months so you can get the exemption, make sure you actually MOVE and don't try to pull one over on the IRS. They are not amused. Besides the IRS can, and has, found out the truth and hauled taxpayers into court for back taxes, penalties & interest!

ADJOINING VACANT LAND SALE CAN ALSO QUALIFY. Another little-known benefit of IRC 121 allows the sale of a vacant lot adjoining the principal residence to qualify for this tax exemption. However, the adjacent principal residence must be sold within 24 months before or after the lot sale.

Won't apply in many cases, but when it does, it's nice. The article doesn't make it clear if the vacant land has its own $250k exemption, or if it shares the exemption with the residence itself.

PARTIAL EXEMPTION IF YOU DON'T MEET THE 24-MONTH OCCUPANCY TEST. If you occupied your principal residence less than the required 24 months, but the reason for your home sale is (1) change of employment site meeting the moving-cost tax-deduction rules; (2) health reasons; or (3) unforeseen circumstances, you can qualify for a partial exemption based on the number of occupancy months.

The "unforeseen circumstances" rules are still evolving. The IRS allows these acceptable reasons: (1) divorce or legal separation; (2) death in the immediate family; (3) unemployment; (4) decreased income with the homeowner unable to pay the mortgage and basic living expenses; (5) multiple births from the same pregnancy; (6) damage to the home from a natural or manmade disaster or terrorism; and (7) condemnation, seizure or other involuntary conversion of the property.

If you qualify for a partial exemption, and you occupied the principal residence 18 of the 24 required months, for example, then you qualify for 75 percent of the $250,000 or $500,000 exemption.

Here's the answer to the second situation mentioned at the top. I'm no tax attorney, but my read here is that if you buy a house knowing that your job or other "unforseen circumstance" will trigger a move in less than 24 months on a specific date, don't chance it. On the other hand, if it's only a possibility and there is ALSO a possibility of remaining for a minimum of 24 months you should be okay.

TWO WAYS TO AVOID TAX ON MORE THAN $250,000 OR $500,000 HOME-SALE CAPITAL GAIN. If you will have a principal-residence-sale capital gain exceeding the $250,000 or $500,000 exemptions, there are two ways to avoid tax:

1. The first method is to convert your home into a rental property. Then it qualifies for an Internal Revenue Code 1031 tax-deferred exchange for another rental or business property of equal or greater cost and equity.

Most tax advisers suggest renting your former principal residence at least six to 12 months before exchanging it. IRC 1031(a)(3), known as a "Starker exchange," then allows selling the property, having the sale proceeds held by a qualified intermediary third-party beyond your constructive receipt, designating the replacement property within 45 days, and completing the acquisition within 180 days after the old property's sale.

2. The second method, allowed by IRS Revenue Procedure 2005-14 effective Jan. 27, 2005, allows use of both IRC 121 and IRC 1031 in a single property sale. This slightly complicated ruling is retroactive to tax years for which the statute of limitations has not expired.

Gain is first excluded under IRC 121 up to $250,000 or $500,000, and the remaining gain then can qualify for an IRC 1031 tax-deferred exchange. An example of this procedure applies where the principal residence was converted to a rental and then the property is "down traded" for another rental property after claiming the IRC 121 exemption.

And the second half of this answer is likely the key to downsizing without paying huge capital gains tax bills. Convert a rental to your primary residence, use Section 121 to exclude a BIG chunk of capital gains taxes, and Starker Exchange any remaining gain into a smaller rental. Catch being "gotcha" number one above, that the new property would have to be held for a full five years minimum before this could be done again. But with at least 3 properties being moved into/sold/exchanged in rotation, you'd be working on a 6 year cycle and should be okay.

Maybe it's time to start exchanging those apartment buildings for mansions and retire in luxury?

Burke
01-13-2007, 04:46 AM
Here's the answer to the second situation mentioned at the top. I'm no tax attorney, but my read here is that if you buy a house knowing that your job or other "unforseen circumstance" will trigger a move in less than 24 months on a specific date, don't chance it.

Thanks for the post! Good info. I was the one asking about the 121 exclusion if I lived in the house for less than 24 months and the move is related to change in employment location. I read it a little differently than you interpret. I read it to mean that you can get a partial exclusion for less than 24 months whether the relocation was known ahead of time or not but I guess I need to ask a CPA.

Thanks again!

ThreeRiversREI
01-13-2007, 05:08 AM
Thanks for the post! Good info. I was the one asking about the 121 exclusion if I lived in the house for less than 24 months and the move is related to change in employment location. I read it a little differently than you interpret. I read it to mean that you can get a partial exclusion for less than 24 months whether the relocation was known ahead of time or not but I guess I need to ask a CPA.

My reading is based on the IRS allowing the partial exclusion due to the "unforeseen circumstance" of moving do to a job transfer. If you have a specific date when you'll be being transferred, that isn't very "unforeseen" is it? But if there were some ambiguity, especially if there were some possibility of staying put past 24 months, then you should be on solid groung.

The other thing is, it appears that even if you move in less than 24 months, you should still have access to the 121 exclusion until for the full 60 month period. So if, like in the example, you moved after 18 months, you'd have access to the 75% (18/24 months) of $250k exclusion for another 32 months if you wanted to rent it out first. And if you DID, then you could take any excess gain above your partial 121 exclusion into a new investment property.

But yes, consult somebody who handles these things for a living. Preferably somebody with enough insurance/assets to make them worth suing. :icon_aets

Aldo
01-13-2007, 05:16 AM
Living in a property for two years is clearly the way to go.....sometimes. Here's my situation. I'm working on my down-sizing plan and pride myself in having rentals that I wouldn't hesitate to live in myself - except for the location. So much for living there for two days, much less two years.

ThreeRiversREI
01-13-2007, 06:47 AM
Living in a property for two years is clearly the way to go.....sometimes. Here's my situation. I'm working on my down-sizing plan and pride myself in having rentals that I wouldn't hesitate to live in myself - except for the location. So much for living there for two days, much less two years.

Okay, the below is from the IRS. (http://www.irs.gov/publications/p544/ch01.html#d0e2019)

Identification requirement. You must identify the property to be received within 45 days after the date you transfer the property given up in the exchange. This period of time is called the identification period. Any property received during the identification period is considered to have been identified.

If you transfer more than one property (as part of the same transaction) and the properties are transferred on different dates, the identification period and the receipt period begin on the date of the earliest transfer.

Identifying replacement property. You must identify the replacement property in a signed written document and deliver it to the other person involved in the exchange. You must clearly describe the replacement property in the written document. For example, use the legal description or street address for real property and the make, model, and year for a car. In the same manner, you can cancel an identification of replacement property at any time before the end of the identification period.

Identifying alternative and multiple properties. You can identify more than one replacement property. Regardless of the number of properties you give up, the maximum number of replacement properties you can identify is the larger of the following.
Three.
Any number of properties whose total fair market value (FMV) at the end of the identification period is not more than double the total fair market value, on the date of transfer, of all properties you give up.


If, as of the end of the identification period, you have identified more properties than permitted under this rule, the only property that will be considered identified is:
Any replacement property you received before the end of the identification period, and
Any replacement property identified before the end of the identification period and received before the end of the receipt period, but only if the fair market value of the property is at least 95% of the total fair market value of all identified replacement properties. Fair market value is determined on the earlier of the date you received the property or the last day of the receipt period.


This also answers a question I posed a week or two back that was never answered. My question was whether or not I could sell several SFH and roll the proceeds (and basis) into a single, larger purchase such as an apartment building. The answer, quite clearly is yes.

So, if you're not willing to live in your properties to exempt the gain via a Section 121 exclusion, you could try rolling them up into fewer/more valuable properties with, presumably, less total oversight needed. So, sell several management intensive SFH and do a Starker Exchange for an apartment complex with an on-site manager to handle most of the tenant selection, payment collection, maintenance, etc. duties. Or shopping malls. Or office buildings. Any other income producing real estate that would reduce your day-to-day management oversight.

Burke
01-13-2007, 07:37 PM
My reading is based on the IRS allowing the partial exclusion due to the "unforeseen circumstance" of moving do to a job transfer. If you have a specific date when you'll be being transferred, that isn't very "unforeseen" is it?

OK but if we go back to the original quote: PARTIAL EXEMPTION IF YOU DON'T MEET THE 24-MONTH OCCUPANCY TEST. If you occupied your principal residence less than the required 24 months, but the reason for your home sale is (1) change of employment site meeting the moving-cost tax-deduction rules; (2) health reasons; or (3) unforeseen circumstances, you can qualify for a partial exemption based on the number of occupancy months.

The key is the use of the word "or" in that list. So essentially, it says "change of employment site or health reasons or an unforseen circumstance". It does not say an "unforseen change in employment site" or an unforseen cicumstance such as "change in employment site or health conditions".

Certainly not unusual for the IRS to be ambiguous.

ThreeRiversREI
01-13-2007, 11:18 PM
OK but if we go back to the original quote:

The "original quote" was by a 3rd party discussing the Section 121 exclusion. The IRS lists change of job site as just one of the "unforeseen" circumstances allowing for a partial exclusion. Thus my personal interpretation that if you have a specific date you'll be transferred, it's not "unforeseen", but if there is enough ambiguity that it's POSSIBLE (not probably, just possible) that you'd stay put for at least 24 months that you would be on solid ground.

Consult your tax adviser. Some settling may occur during shipment. Objects in mirror are closer than they appear.

Burke
01-14-2007, 12:47 AM
OK...I got some time to do a little reading on the IRS site and I agree with your interpretation. :SM009: In this case, the IRS language on the site wasn't too ambiguous.

Aldo
01-14-2007, 05:33 AM
ThreeRiversREI, thanx for the research. There's a lot of pertinent info in there and in your interpretation, with which I agree.

Unfortunately that probably wouldn't work for me for a couple of reasons. All of my castles are multi's and the smaller ones are generally the ones I prefer to hold. Though I do enjoy the hands-on management of them, none of them is management intensive, including my rooming house, believe it or not. It's a 'me thing', but I'm a bit of a control freak and there's only one person on the planet that I'd thoroughly trust to select my tenants and/or collect my rents (which are mailed to me, anyway). Lastly, I had a bad experience with commercial stuff and I don't want to re-enter that arena.

My foremost consideration is 1031ing into a TIC. With them, the most difficult part of ownership/management is getting caught in a traffic jam on the way to the bank. But, I'm hesitant with TIC's because they are extremely popular and, as a result, have become speculative. When one is downsizing for retirement purposes, 'speculative' is not the preferred option. Additionally, a TIC will not provide the income level to which I've become accustomed.

ThreeRiversREI
01-14-2007, 06:11 AM
My foremost consideration is 1031ing into a TIC.

Okay, I did some research for you. Now your turn to repay with some education.....

First off, what the heck is a "TIC"?

Not to mention, why would I want one, etc.

Thanks!

Debbie
01-14-2007, 02:28 PM
(raising my hands frantically) I know! I know!

TIC=Tenant In Common (aka TIC 1031)

IRS Code Section 1031 allows a property seller to defer taxes on a property sale if the seller identifies not more than three properties of equal or greater value within 45 days of the sale and so long as at least one property is acquired within 180 days of the sale. In addition, IRS Revenue Procedure 2002-22 states that acquiring a fractional tenancy in common interest in a new property, such as an office building, apartment building, shopping mall, or even an oil and gas interest, will qualify as a 'like kind' exchange. This "exchange" process creates opportunities for substantial tax savings and allows a seller to invest in a much more valuable property, without the day-to-day pressures of dealing with multiple tenants, service providers, maintenance and repairs.


Deferral of Capital Gains Tax and Depreciation Recovery

Ease of Ownership:

* Fee simple deeded fractional interest in institutional investment quality real estate
* Pro-rata share of cash flow, depreciation, appreciation
* Typically, independent professional asset & property managers
* TIC agreement sets forth the governance rules for the ownership of property and an established procedure for decisions requiring votes by the property owners
* Simple closing process

Stable Cash-on-Cash Return

* Monthly cash flow
* Long-term leases
* National ‘creditworthy’, i.e., investment grade, tenants

ThreeRiversREI
01-14-2007, 11:45 PM
TIC=Tenant In Common (aka TIC 1031)

IRS Code Section 1031 allows a property seller to defer taxes on a property sale if the seller identifies not more than three properties of equal or greater value within 45 days of the sale and so long as at least one property is acquired within 180 days of the sale. In addition, IRS Revenue Procedure 2002-22 states that acquiring a fractional tenancy in common interest in a new property, such as an office building, apartment building, shopping mall, or even an oil and gas interest, will qualify as a 'like kind' exchange. This "exchange" process creates opportunities for substantial tax savings and allows a seller to invest in a much more valuable property, without the day-to-day pressures of dealing with multiple tenants, service providers, maintenance and repairs.

COOL! Sounds like a long-term goal for my investments!

Aldo
01-15-2007, 05:36 AM
Thanx, Debbie. You saved me a bunch of typing.

If all of Debbie's info isn't enough, my financial advisor (with New England Financial, a highly respected firm) can get me into a TIC with a starting annual ROI of 7% and increased ROI rates annually for X years. Say I dump $100K into this. I'm looking at nearly $600/mo.

It's not as easy as it appears, though. If I went ahead with this, I'd have some work to do. On the first of each month I'd have to bring in my mail and actually have to open the envelope containing that check. After resting a bit, I'd have to endorse the check. Being totally worn out, I'd defer driving to the bank until the next day to deposit it. (TIC is also the acronym for Tongue-In-Cheek.)

Seriously, though, my problem with TIC's is that all the good stuff is gone and current offerings are mostly speculative. Instead of well-peforming office buildings or shopping malls, for example, they are offering well-planned office buildings or shopping malls. One gets to a point in life where speculation is not an option.

Debbie
01-15-2007, 05:39 AM
I should have added a statement at the end of my last post that TIC is NOT an option for Jeff and me.....our net profits makes more than any profit they'd send us!

SPIVALAW
01-15-2007, 05:42 AM
Thanx, Debbie. You saved me a bunch of typing.



It's not as easy as it appears, though. If I went ahead with this, I'd have some work to do. On the first of each month I'd have to bring in my mail and actually have to open the envelope containing that check. After resting a bit, I'd have to endorse the check. Being totally worn out, I'd defer driving to the bank until the next day to deposit it. (TIC is also the acronym for Tongue-In-Cheek.) .

Aldo
get your TIC on an automatic deposit and have your bills on automatic debit.
Then you can retire.
:>)

Seriously, you can also do private TIC with other investors.
I do them all the time. Unlike the big commercial TICs Its like being a regular investor but without the responsibility and a little more input and control.

ThreeRiversREI
01-15-2007, 06:07 AM
Seriously, you can also do private TIC with other investors.

I do them all the time. Unlike the big commercial TICs Its like being a regular investor but without the responsibility and a little more input and control.

Uhm.... Expand/explain please? Is this something you set up or something you buy into? How does this differ from, say, a limited partnership for the purpose of doing a particular development project, etc.

I must say, I do very much like the idea of doing Starker Exchanges through progressively more valuable SFH sold with LOs, merging funds & getting larger multi-unit properties with an eye towards being able to Starker into something as "hands off" as you're making TIC's sound.

Definitely sounds like a retirement plan to me! Best part is, if I ever die, my heirs would be able to pic up the TIC interest with it's basis stepped up from (by then, probably darn close to ZERO!) to FMV and stiff the IRS for all the capital gains!

(Why do I suddenly want a bowl of alphabet soup?)

SPIVALAW
01-15-2007, 01:31 PM
Uhm.... Expand/explain please? Is this something you set up or something you buy into? How does this differ from, say, a limited partnership for the purpose of doing a particular development project, etc.

(Why do I suddenly want a bowl of alphabet soup?)

It differs in that instead of a partner you own interest as a TIC in a individual property or properties. That way, unlike an LP, your interest alone can be 1031 into another property. IN addition in the deals we do the owner of the TIC is not involved in the task of management or maintence.

As far as the soup, you may want to do this on the QT and PDQ or face the IRS, GB, FBI , really its as simple as ABC, ok?

ThreeRiversREI
01-26-2007, 08:05 PM
At the top of this thread, I was quoting from an article that pointed out a partial 121 Exclusion was available for tax payers who sell their primary residence but don't meet the "24 of the prior 60 months" test due to a rob relocation. One of the requirements for taking the partial exclusion was meeting the standard to take the Relocation Expense Deduction. Well, today I came across this article that talked more about that specific topic so I thought I'd come back and add it to the thread.

THE JOB-LOCATION-CHANGE TEST. If you changed your residence location, but you also didn't change job locations, you are not eligible to deduct household moving costs. The simple job-location-change test requires your new job site to be at least 50 miles further away from your old home than was your old job location.

To illustrate, suppose the distance from your old home to your old job location was 10 miles. Your new job must be at least 50 miles further away from your old home. That's 10 plus 50, or 60 miles, in this example from your old home to your new job location.

If you passed this first test to qualify for the moving-expense tax deduction, then you must also pass a more difficult test.

THE WORK-TIME TEST. Your second and final test to qualify for the moving-expense tax deduction requires you to stay in the vicinity of your new job site and work full time at least 39 weeks during the 52 weeks after your residence move. However, time spent searching for a new job doesn't count and you need not continue working for the same employer or at the same location.

If you are self-employed, this test requires you to work at least 78 weeks full time in the vicinity of your new qualifying job location during the 104 weeks after the household move.

The purpose of this tougher test is to prevent self-employeds from deducting moving costs if, after moving, they work only a few hours each week. But this work-time test is waived for job layoffs, disability, or the taxpayer's death.

So for you to take a partial 121 Exclusion, Burke, you'll need to meet three main hurdles with your upcoming moves.

Have the possibility of staying put at LEAST 24 months so you can claim the move to be "unforeseen".
Have your new job site be at LEAST 50 miles further away from your home than your current job site. (Not just 50 miles away from your home.)
Be at the new job site at LEAST 39 weeks (barring death, disability or layoff), 78 weeks if self employed.

Meet those 3 tests, and you should be home free. Also, keep in mind that if you move at, for example, month 18, you can still rent the property out for the remainder of the 60 months before selling and still qualify for the exclusion!

As always, do your own due diligence. The opinions expressed herein are warrantied neither to be based in reality nor even those of the author. Consult appropriate professionals (tax advisers, attorneys, CPAs, etc.) to discuss your specific situation. And whatever you do, do NOT get caught playing fast and loose with IRS regulations. Those folks have their sense of humor surgically removed! :SM022:

Debbie
01-26-2007, 09:39 PM
ACK!!! You beat me to it! Great minds think alike!

Nevertheless, great job Darren!

SPIVALAW
01-26-2007, 11:06 PM
Articles are good.
However, I always double check my law on taxes at www.irs.gov

ZNICK
01-28-2007, 04:16 AM
Ack. If anyone wants to toss $100k into something, make it available to me and I'll give you $2000 a month rather than $600...

Z