Who are the Real Estate Investors Voting for???

[AIR]

Just wondering your opinions on the best candidate for president? Who will support investors and small business owners the best??? I would especially like to hear from JimFL, SPIVALAW, DEBBIE, Burke, Tim, and Dan.

[Debbie]

Hmmm....I will answer your questions as best as I can to avoid any heavy duty debates among MB members. So....

Without going into details of what my thoughts are of each politicians, I will say the followings:

1) I voted for Obama as Illinois senator. So far, no problem regarding Illinois. Not a big impact on Illinois but eh, he's doing somewhat of a decent job. But......I would NOT vote for Obama as president. At least this time around. Maybe in 10-20 years from now when we're more familiar with Obama.

2) McCain scares me. I won't say why because I want to avoid debate.

3) Romney -- I really don't know enough about him to form an opinion.

4) Hillary -- There are pros and cons.

Bottom line--I learned a long time ago not to decide who to vote prematurely. I learned to wait at least a few months after the primary has completed. So, best time to ask me again would be somewhere between August-October 2008.

You asked: "Who will support investors and small business owners the best???"

That is a very good question. IMHO, if we can rid of the two party system (dem vs rep), eliminate the Electoral college, vote (via popularity) for someone who's a little bit liberal and a little bit conservative. Then and only then will we have a better chance of having a President who will support investors and small business owners.

[Debbie]

I know you wanted to avoid debate but I had to respond to this.

The electoral college is one of the wisest things the founding fathers did for this country. Without it, a candidate would pander to the most populous states and there would be no reason for a Presidential candidate to even pretend to care about the country as a whole. In other words, New York, California, Texas and Florida would basically determine who was President. Almost all of the other states would just be ignored.

:SM090: Tim, I'd say approximately 70% to 80% of the time, I would concur with your assessments as well as sharing beliefs in general. This "electoral vote is the wisest..." isn't one of them. But I really don't care. Wanna know why? Because I value our relationship more than I value politics. :SM082:

I also value my relationships with everyone here too. Sorry. Like Tim, I just had to respond to this! *grins*

[Bill H]

I'm not sure right now that I would not vote for " None of the above" if that were a viable candidate.

McCain...Maybe....war hero, seemingly honest hardworking

Huckabee...He is probably OK for another term in Arkansas

Romney...Got too much excess baggage for the job

Obama...I share Debbie's feeling that he is a bit young and inexperienced.

Hillary...NO WAY for me to vote for her. Entirely too liberal for my way of thinking. She wants to give more of my hard earned $$$ to too many of her causes.
And: She got 12 million for her memoires and Bill got 8 million for his....A VERY VERY large sum for two people who only a few years ago could not remembver ANYTHING! Even when the missing documents turned up on her desk.

I guess I should add that I used to vote a straight Republican Ticket...NOW...I ain't so sure who to vote for.

Is it all just campaign rhetoric or will it come true if XXX or YYY is elected?

Tim, said it best....try and find out how each will afrfect your future and your investments BEFORE you cast your vote.

[Debbie]

Air,

I just remembered. Over the course of last few years of reading Mr. Landlord site, I've read that Mass. landlords were NOT pleased with their governor. That governor would be Romney. That in itself is something we should think about.

[mike_mn]

:SM090: Tim, I'd say approximately 70% to 80% of the time, I would concur with your assessments as well as sharing beliefs in general. This "electoral vote is the wisest..." isn't one of them. But I really don't care. Wanna know why? Because I value our relationship more than I value politics. :SM082:

I also value my relationships with everyone here too. Sorry. Like Tim, I just had to respond to this! *grins*

Now I am curious...do you disagree that New York, California, Texas and Florida can easily contain the popular vote for the entire country?

[Debbie]

Now I am curious...do you disagree that New York, California, Texas and Florida can easily contain the popular vote for the entire country?

I understand your curiosity....

Whether I agree or disagree about those states containing popular vote is not important for me to reveal.

I learned a long time ago, I can't win. Nobody wins. Not when it comes to political debate and belief. Hence, I learned that politicians are not worth my time nor worth jeopardizing my relationships.

Nothing to do with you, Mike. I like you. You're slightly irritating a few times but I still like you and you've never steered me wrong. :SM082:

[Michael Quarles]

May I enter the room?..

And this is going to sound stupid…

I think we are missing an incredible opportunity... I argue with my wife about this every time we watch the debates... She is registered an Independent and I as a Republican...

With that said what I think we are missing is the idea that we can elect our first female into office...

I know a lousy reason to vote for someone or is it? I personally think Hillary is a terrible candidate on a lot of issues, but compare her views to mainstream America and she is not too far off base. And which one of the candidates really has the power to change anything if they don’t even have the power to run a runaway election?

Therefore the reason I will vote for her is to have a more qualified female run in the future, one who may not be the celebrity that she is or have the name recognition she does but is very qualified and those qualification we can bank on.

I look at what Hillary stands for much deeper than her beliefs; It is time for our country to finally pull from the entire pull of qualified people not just the Y Chromosome. You have to see her as a kind of Jackie Robinson, Author Ashe or Rosa Parks symbol.

As for who will be the best for we Investors..

I Like the flat tax idea and with a bad back there are times I sure would like stem cell research to figure a way to rid myself of that pain.. I am thinking a war hero would be great as the VP, wouldn’t want Rambo with the key… Anyone who looks at a God as a good thing would have my vote. Cant say that universal health care should be universal. Maybe if you have a history of unemployment you should be penalized somehow.. As someone on Food Stamps in the past the idea that we must feed everyone is not working… At time I like the Libertarian views… limited government interference… Everything else capitalism figures out on its own.

[AIR]

Not sure how much of a shot Huckabee has but I just read some info I liked from his wesbite:

# I support the FairTax.
# As Governor of Arkansas, I cut taxes and fees almost 100 times, saving the taxpayers almost $380 million. I left a surplus of nearly $850 million, which I urged should go back to the people.
# Our massive deficit is not due to Americans' being under-taxed, but to the government's over-spending.
# To control spending, I believe the President should have the line-item veto.
# I believe in free trade, but it has to be fair trade.
# Globalization, done right, done fairly, can be the equivalent of a big pay raise by allowing us to buy things more cheaply.
# I support making the Bush tax cuts (set to expire in 2010) permanent.
# Furthermore, I believe that we need to expand upon these cuts by further reducing marginal rates on individual and corporate income, instituting credits for tuition, and eliminating the “death tax.”

[Burke]

I am very hesitant to even enter this discussion. Not only does it provide an opportunity for "dissension in the ranks" but I haven't formed a real definitive opinion yet.

But, since I was specifically asked to comment, I will share this.

1. I am pretty much ultra-conservative.
2. I believe less government is better.
3. I think the number and cost of tax payer funded social programs is already out of control.
4. I am a proponent of extensive tax reform such as the Fair Tax or something similar but don't expect to see any progress on that for years if even in my lifetime.
5. I am pro-military (shouldn't be a surprise) but that doesn't mean I believe McCain is the best candidate.
6. I am pro-life (maybe implied by bullet #1).
7. I am against a national health care system but am supportive of reasonable measures to control health care costs. Don't ask me how. I don't have the answers. :SM087:
8. Although important to me and may have some influence on who gets my final vote, I believe there are more important issues on the table than pro-business and pro-investor. Please don't take that comment as any way judgmental toward you for asking your question in that regard. It is certainly a valid question in light of the focus of this board. I am just sharing some of my philosophy.
9. I will absolutely not vote for Hillary Clinton. EVER!

Now...from that, as the election year unfolds, you can probably figure out who will be in the top running for my vote unless I opt not to vote as well. As it is turning out, I am also concerned about the candidates who will make it to the ballot.

[Dan Auito]

And next we'll tackle, Capital Punishment, Abortion, Religion and Drug Control Policy! Let the games begin. We were hoping Mitt was it, but are preparing for pain with Mccain. LOL

[Jim FL]

Dan,
How about a write in candidate, independent of course, for the general election?
It would take a lot of folks knowing how to spell your name...........but, we could give them all cards to take to the polls.

what do ya think?

Dan Auito for President
Write in cadidate 2008!

Howard could be your VP, that would be fun to watch, and probably solve a lot of problems frankly.

I'll not comment on who, or what I support here............there's no point in arguing with liberals. :punk:

The real issue this time, for BOTH parties, is that the most staunch members of each, have yet to realize that the vast majority of America, is really somewhere in the middle.
The only voices that get the headlines though, are the FAR of either side, left/right.

McCain probably will get the nomination, and the best thing for him would be for Billary to get the other.

Thing is, I personally, cannot get excited about any candidate at the moment, and that scares me somewhat.
I'm usually not so apathetic about politics.

Back to investing discussions............

Jim FL

[Michael Quarles]

I have it... since politians don't have to adhere to the sign laws we should all run for president and use bandit signs that read...

I buy house
vote for mike
for president
www.ibuyhousesforpresident.com

[Bill H]

I agree with Debbie and Tim...vote your pocketbook. Take into consideration all the campaign rhetoric and see which one you think will do the best for you.

I agree with you Mike....YES...it is a lousy reason to vote for her just because she is female. Gender SHOULD NOT be the deciding factor in who get elected.

We should all look deeply and try and decide who will be the BEST LEADER for the ENTIRE nation. Not who is the best looking....hells bells...Debbie has that locked up anyhow!

This nation has and is changing rapidly from what our founding fathers thought it should be.

We should all do some deep soul searching and vote your conscience, pocketbook, religion, etc., and lastly your political view.

We should all try to get the BEST person for the job regardless of all else.

Another question..."Is it time that we consider a non-native born as eligible to be president?"

[Bill H]

They are called delegates and they are chosen by their respective parties.

And sadly but truly...they are ony required to vote as the people say on the first ballot....after that they can vote as they please and the people have nothing to say about it.

[AIR]

I am surprised nobody on this board has the answer I am looking for... who is going to continue to keep interest rates low? Who is going to either keep capital gains tax the same or lower it? Who is going to be good for the REAL ESTATE MARKET? In the past 8 yrs we have had a republican president, although you hear every person complain about how horrible he was, the real estate market was BOOMING!

[Michael Quarles]

the important word there is 'Was'

[Debbie]

.hells bells...Debbie has that locked up anyhow!

:eek: .......... :icon_redf


Another question..."Is it time that we consider a non-native born as eligible to be president?"

Oh Dear Goddess! No!
Unless, this Earth comprise of the "United Federation of Planet Earth" *ya know, Star Trek* :icon_verw

[Bill H]

That is true of the "Electoral College" as it is called, Tim.

After the general election in November, the votes are counted. the race is declared won by one or the other. Then the electoral college confirms it to congress in December. Yes, They are bound to vote as the people of their state voted.

Debbie, I posed the hypothetical question about a non-native to see what kind of response we might get. So far not much interest.

I and not for a non-native to be allowed but was looking for what the rest of the group thought.

Then, the other side of the coin is..."Are we missing out on some very well qualified candidates by having this rule?"

[Debbie]

Debbie, I posed the hypothetical question about a non-native to see what kind of response we might get. So far not much interest.

Oh....I thought you were complimenting me. :SM126:

Oh Wait! You're talking about non-native born as eligible to be president. Um, I'm 3/4 French. Would that let me become president? :SM105:

[Bill H]

Yep, I'll vote for you if you will make me VP...I'm Half-NUTS!

[SPIVALAW]

Just wondering your opinions on the best candidate for president? Who will support investors and small business owners the best??? I would especially like to hear from JimFL, SPIVALAW, DEBBIE, Burke, Tim, and Dan.

I was personally very disappointed when John Edwards dropped out. I knew he was a long shot, but I still hoped. I know him and Elizabeth personally and as our president they couldn't buy him or scare him.

IMHO, both political parties smell bad and have for years.

That said, I am a one issue voter: Civil justice. Period.

Well I am opposed to abortions by illegal, gay immigrants who are in same sex marriages. :SM039:

Seriouly, "Trial by Jury" is our only recourse, as individuals, against the careless and evil of this country. I see it in my job everyday. But for trial lawyers, manufactures and many who we depend on for the safety of our family and loved ones would go completely unchecked. Regulations and laws don't keep folks in line, the threat to their check book is all that causes many to place safety before profits.

We just had a major explosion Thursday at a factory here in Savannah. So far 6 dead and 30+ seriously injured. A couple of the employees are still not found. The small financial recovery available to the many families through the exclusive remedy of Worker's Comp is sad.

I don't vote for politicians for spiritual guidance or "moral" issues.
I think many of the blue collar workers in America and many others have voted in years past against their own best interest for issues that really have no place in politics.

We lost a fine Governor in Ga over a stupid flag!

Except for the costs of War, most effects to our lives come from legislature and congress. Presidents' largest influence IMHO is with "veto powers" and appointing Justices to interpret our laws.

Now I will vote for Hillary.
Obama has a record of supporting anti lawyer legislation.

McCain said we may need to stay in the desert another 100 years.
I injured many friendships when the war stated and I spoke out against it.
I said then and now, it isn't about 911. As most things its about money.

McCain is in his 70s and he wont be around to see his G children and loved ones go off and die in the desert in this 10,000 year war we are in.

Due to the constant attacks against my profession from the right
(Bush starting in Texas when he screwed up civil justice there... his brother Jeb in Fla and idiot Newt G., and Rush and others)

...I have battled republicans on this issue my entire professional career of 24+ years.

For now I will stick with the left.

you asked.

[brianb_cobbres]

Let me start by saying it is huge mistake to discuss politics on a non-political site. Same goes for religion....

I take a very practical approach to politics and will wait to make a final decision when we are down to final candidates and the actual national campaign starts. Right now all candidates are pandering to their own parties so you need to be careful about taking what they say to heart and it is going to get worse as it looks like the Dems are headed for a super-delegate showdown which has the potential to tear the democratic party apart should one candidate win the state primary race but lose the super-delegate race.

On the republican front, and yes I am a republican, the candidates are horrible. Its as if they are not trying and decided to put the second string into the game. McCain is the best we can do? He has tried to run in the past and has always failed when in the presence of a strong(er) candidate which makes you wonder about Romney and Huckabee. How bad do you have to be to lose to McCain?

On the democratic side you have more of the same except the dems decided to run with novelty acts. Edwards never had a chance due to his public image thanks to the republican smear machine in the past couple of elections even though he was probably the most viable democratic candidate. I personally do not believe Hillary is electable once you start throwing the indepentant and undecided voters into the mix and Obama is too much of an unknown. I will be curious to see how race plays into the actual election should Obama prevail.

Regardless of who wins, this election will be real case study in American politics as it related to race and gender. How will America react to a black or female candidate?


So in the end, put me in the undecided catagory....

[SPIVALAW]

Right now all candidates are pandering to their own parties so you need to be careful

I agree with all you say.

I am casting my vote on their past votes on my one issue.

I always watch what people do, not what they say :>)

Peace

[Debbie]

I concur with Howard.

"Actions speaks louder than words".

[Debbie]

I want to say that I am deeply proud how well this thread has turned out.

This thread has been civil yet opinions were known.

I'd really like to see much more of this when it comes to sensitive subjects.

Thank you everybody for making your best efforts to keep this thread civil! :clap:

[KCHomebuyers]

Let me start by saying it is huge mistake to discuss politics on a non-political site. Same goes for religion....

Brian,
I disagree. It's always been taboo to discuss politics, but if you can't discuss, then how do you learn? Obviously, politics plays a very important role in how we invest. As for religion, yeah, that should probably stay in a different forum.

On the political front, I'm with Burke on all points - not republican, not democrat, just ultra conservative. I'd probably take things a step further and add:

* strict, strict, very strict border protection
* pull the plug on ALL our foreign aid programs
* pull the plug on NAFTA
* restrict entitlement programs - if you're physcially fit, you get to work for your welfare check.
* abolish the IRS - I'm done working 5 months of the year to pay for everybody else before I can pay for my own family and expenses.

At this point, I can't see that we really have any candidates. My favorites Duncan Hunter, Fred Thompson, and Romney (in that order) are off the ballots, so what's a voter to do?

I also agree with Burke - there's a lot at stake above and beyond our wallets. I think the EU is being swallowed whole by hardline islamists, and if we don't do something, the rest of western civilization is at great risk.

With that said, I *guess* I'd pull the lever for McCain (Captain Amnesty!), because I don't believe the democratic candidates have the stones to handle that issue.

Just my $0.02!

[brianb_cobbres]

"abolish the IRS - I'm done working 5 months of the year to pay for everybody else before I can pay for my own family and expenses."

Except that the IRS is just a collection agency so it is not quite that simple. No matter what you do (fairtax, flattax, anarchy) you still need someone to collect the money. A more correct statement would have to do with a reduction in spending, migrating necessary services (and taxes) back to state control, new laws to control national debt and spending, restore the SS trust fund, etc.

And then add a few more
Eliminate the Department of Education
Restore States Rights
End the war on drugs
Realign military and reduce military spending (be smart about it)
Line item veto
And on and on and on

Taxes are inevitable and acceptable as long as they are reasonable and being spend wisely.

[KCHomebuyers]

Well yeah - taxes are necessary to run a republic or any form of government, and everybody should put their fair share in the kitty as a citizen.

A reduction in spending is an absolute must - we have way to many programs, too much bueracracy, and absolutely no oversight on most of the programs.

[SPIVALAW]

Brian,
I disagree. It's always been taboo to discuss politics, but if you can't discuss, then how do you learn? Obviously, politics plays a very important role in how we invest. As for religion, yeah, that should probably stay in a different forum.

On the political front, I'm with Burke on all points - not republican, not democrat, just ultra conservative. I'd probably take things a step further and add:

* strict, strict, very strict border protection
* pull the plug on ALL our foreign aid programs
* pull the plug on NAFTA
* restrict entitlement programs - if you're physcially fit, you get to work for your welfare check.
* abolish the IRS - I'm done working 5 months of the year to pay for everybody else before I can pay for my own family and expenses.

At this point, I can't see that we really have any candidates. My favorites Duncan Hunter, Fred Thompson, and Romney (in that order) are off the ballots, so what's a voter to do?

I also agree with Burke - there's a lot at stake above and beyond our wallets. I think the EU is being swallowed whole by hardline islamists, and if we don't do something, the rest of western civilization is at great risk.

With that said, I *guess* I'd pull the lever for McCain (Captain Amnesty!), because I don't believe the democratic candidates have the stones to handle that issue.

Just my $0.02!

Wait on NO politician to improve your life.

Use strategies and entities to lower your taxes.

No matter who is the president, learn the existing tax laws and deductions and maximize them.

P.S. John Edwards has proven with his life, that his stones would match any canidate, (present or past).

[KCHomebuyers]

Well, taxation isn't the only issue I vote - I'm more concerned about pro-life, border security and immigration issues above all.

However, taking all the tax breaks you can only goes so far - the gvmt can't continue to tap the taxpayers for more money without some serious economic consequences. I am actually diving head first into Ron Mueller's tax course, and it's very enlightening :D

[SPIVALAW]

Well, taxation isn't the only issue I vote - I'm more concerned about pro-life, border security and immigration issues above all.

However, taking all the tax breaks you can only goes so far - the govmt can't continue to tap the taxpayers for more money without some serious economic consequences. I am actually diving head first into Ron Mueller's tax course, and it's very enlightening :D

No one takes all the deductions they can!

I am not talking about how anyone votes, I am saying don't let outside politics limit or control someone's life. Or keep us on hold till an election.

~Do you operate your rentals and management and books and life as entities?

~Do you or your spouse file as a "real estate professional" and take unlimited (over $25K) losses on your rentals from your earned income?

~Do you exercise the $125K (IRC179) yearly deduction for each entity?

~Does your company provide pre-tax dollars for you
a car/ truck? cell phone? lap top? Health insurance? Disability? Medical reimbursement plan? ... RV? Airplane? Security dog?

I am not familiar with the tax course you mentioned.
I like George Yeiter, CPA http://www.yeiter.com/ Texas) and so far Albert Aiello's course isn't bad either.

[Debbie]

Air,

Do you want to know what I hope to see in my life time?

1) Immediately send the illegals back to their home countries. I don't care if they're Mexicans, Japanese or Haitans. Just send them back. They can always come back in LEGALLY.
2) Immediately STOP all free aids (food, shelter, medical and education) to ALL illegals.
3) Mandatory Official Language: ENGLISH
4) Eliminate Spanish as 2nd language before we, as USA, are sued for cultural discriminations. Let the USA citizens to freely choose the 2nd language for NON-MANDATORY educational purposes.
5) Keep abortion for rape victims, incest victims, endangerment of mother's health and unborn child that has evidence of significant morbidity and mortality. Abortion is NOT to be used as part of birth control methods.
6) Eliminate NAFTA
7) Keep certain "entitlement" programs for those who physically need it (ie wheelchair, eyeglasses, hearing aids, speech therapy, physical therapy, etc).
8) Eliminate rest of "entitlement" programs, including Section 8 and food stamps, who are physically abled. This should force idiots to get a JOB and contribute to the society!
9) Eliminate taxes for Public schools. Charge only to those who are attending public schools.
Or---better yet---eliminate all public schools & it's taxes. Guv'ment run public school, ya know. Illogical, you say? Nope. Not if you REALLY think about it and what the actual GOOD consequences would be.
10) Include one line on the ballot: "I choose NOT to vote any of the above named candidates".
11) Disallow any President to "declare" war instead of Congress. That's the Congress' job. Or, better yet----make the Congress show proofs of REAL evidence to the citizens of USA on why we need to "declare" war or interfere other countries' affairs. Even better yet, NEVER allow President/Congress to declare war. If we're attacked then we immediately strike back.
12) Longer prison term for hardened criminals and eliminate probation.
13) Eliminate ALL "entitlements" for prisons, except for food and shelter. Let their teeth rot. Let them eat basic foods. Medical? I'm undecided just what they deserve or don't deserve in terms of medical treatments.
14) Build more prisons and miles away from cities and towns. No more "inhouse" prisons.
15) Longer prison terms for lessor criminals (ie thief, DUI, etc).
16) Permanently imprison murderers, rapists and phedophiles for life. Probations are to be eliminated. No pyschologist, counselor or pyschiatrist treatments allowed----none can be "saved".
17) Keep Death Penalty. We now have DNA technologies. No more "waiting period" for those sentenced to Death Chamber.

[SPIVALAW]

Air,

Do you want to know what I hope to see in my life time?

1) Immediately send the illegals back to their home countries. I don't care if they're Mexicans, Japanese or Haitans. Just send them back. They can always come back in LEGALLY.
2) Immediately STOP all free aids (food, shelter, medical and education) to ALL illegals.
3) Mandatory Official Language: ENGLISH
4) Eliminate Spanish as 2nd language before we, as USA, are sued for cultural discriminations. Let the USA citizens to freely choose the 2nd language for NON-MANDATORY educational purposes.
5) Keep abortion for rape victims, incest victims, endangerment of mother's health and unborn child that has evidence of significant morbidity and mortality. Abortion is NOT to be used as part of birth control methods.
6) Eliminate NAFTA
7) Keep certain "entitlement" programs for those who physically need it (ie wheelchair, eyeglasses, hearing aids, speech therapy, physical therapy, etc).
8) Eliminate rest of "entitlement" programs, including Section 8 and food stamps, who are physically abled. This should force idiots to get a JOB and contribute to the society!
9) Eliminate taxes for Public schools. Charge only to those who are attending public schools.
Or---better yet---eliminate all public schools & it's taxes. Guv'ment run public school, ya know. Illogical, you say? Nope. Not if you REALLY think about it and what the actual GOOD consequences would be.
10) Include one line on the ballot: "I choose NOT to vote any of the above named candidates".
11) Disallow any President to "declare" war instead of Congress. That's the Congress' job. Or, better yet----make the Congress show proofs of REAL evidence to the citizens of USA on why we need to "declare" war or interfere other countries' affairs. Even better yet, NEVER allow President/Congress to declare war. If we're attacked then we immediately strike back.
12) Longer prison term for hardened criminals and eliminate probation.
13) Eliminate ALL "entitlements" for prisons, except for food and shelter. Let their teeth rot. Let them eat basic foods. Medical? I'm undecided just what they deserve or don't deserve in terms of medical treatments.
14) Build more prisons and miles away from cities and towns. No more "inhouse" prisons.
15) Longer prison terms for lessor criminals (ie thief, DUI, etc).
16) Permanently imprison murderers, rapists and phedophiles for life. Probations are to be eliminated. No pyschologist, counselor or pyschiatrist treatments allowed----none can be "saved".
17) Keep Death Penalty. We now have DNA technologies. No more "waiting period" for those sentenced to Death Chamber.

Debbie, Debbie, Debbie

then I suggest you run for office.

Sorry other wise it isnt going to happen. That is a list for sanata at Macys.
No canidate is suppoting all those wishes.

Here is my motto, I am ridding the bus that is going, I am not jumping in front of the bus.

[KCHomebuyers]

Debbie,
:praise:
that is all :)

[Debbie]

Debbie, Debbie, Debbie

then I suggest you run for office.

Sorry other wise it isnt going to happen. That is a list for sanata at Macys.
No canidate is suppoting all those wishes.

Here is my motto, I am ridding the bus that is going, I am not jumping in front of the bus.

Howard, Howard, Howard,

Who says a girl can't dream? Who says that one wish can not be granted?

Wanna vote for me? :wink:
Debbie,
:praise:
that is all :)

That is all, what? Your wish list too?

Wanna be my VP? :SM029:

[simone]

Hi Tim,

As an avid supporter of Hilary, I just have to ask:

You wrote: "You mean things like lying, perjury, fascism and socialism?"

Just curious, which do think she is: a fascist or a socialist?

(I'm not really wanting to get into a political debate here, I'm exhausted from other forums -LOL, but there exists such a huge display of verbal histrionics and unmitigated, undeserved hyperbole directed at Hilary, that I just have to question what you meant by your comment.) As far as I'm concerned, Hilary is neither a fascist nor a socialist. Obviously, others disagree - but most certainly one cannot be both at the same time.

[SPIVALAW]

Debbie I would vote for you even if I didnt already support much of your platform.

Simone, I too find that debates on the Internet to a faceless and unknown person (I refer to most on the Internet as imaginary cartoon Characters).

I am not directing these comments to anyone on here, but to the Internet in general.

I find it sad that always there has to be a division of anger and often hate between Americans. I can not listen to the ranting's on Talk Radio (clearly hate radio). I don't know why but everyone seems to need someone to hate. This is ratcheted up with the Internet.

Skin color, sex, political party, it is as if we always face a division among folks.

We should all be able to have our opinions, beliefs, and wish list with out facing the passion of personal anger and hate.


But I could be wrong.

[simone]

“She wants government to control all aspects of health care and make it a crime for you to seek care outside of the government offerings as well as make it a crime for a health care provider give you care outside of the government system”.

This is simply incorrect. She has repeatedly said that if one likes the plan they currently have, by all means they should keep it. She would make it mandatory for every UNINSURED person to obtain insurance (Mitt Romney did this in Mass., by the way and makes perfect economic and humanitarian sense when one considers that people who have access to regular, preventative healthcare will save this country an enormous amount of money in the long run and will not have to face bankrupcy or lack of medical treatment because of the outrageous costs of medical care and/or insurance. Every other country in the "civilized" world has a handle on this). This in no way supports a “fascism” charge (if you are really using the term correctly).

As for being a “socialist” (her college writings in the much different era and atmosphere of the sixties, notwithstanding), the Democrats leaning towards Obama feel she is not “left”, “liberal” or “progressive” enough for their tastes.

Hilary Clinton is, in my humble opinion, a political Centrist. She is probably more “liberal” at heart than her husband, but a Centrist none the less. I could go on and on about how she has worked for women’s and children’s issues, environmental issues, educational issues, etc. etc. well before her time in the White House. But you get my drift.

And with regards to “The right doesn't always agree with the left but they don't want to shut them up”. HUH???

Anyway, shall we just agree to disagree? And get back to real estate? LOL

[KCHomebuyers]

I'd have to disagree with the "hate radio" and "hate between americans" angle.

IMHO (of course), people have become very thin skinned. If you disagree, however passionately, then all of a sudden you're a nazi/bigot/facist (and that word is used way to quickly)/racist/etc.

I think what happens is that a person may listen to a commentator with a predefined mindset that this guy is most definitely a bigot - and then hear their statements, but not actually *listen* to the statements.

As an example, we have some pretty passionate email wars on politics with a few people in the office. When discussin immigration, I've brought up stats about higher crime rates, increases in infectious dieseases, etc. The "opposing team" immediately jumped on this and said - "So you're saying that all mexicans are diesease ridden, murderous rats - that's racist!"

In actuality, I said no such thing - I merely said that SOME are causes of the problem, which creates a problem for the larger set. I think there's a disconnect in the logic people use. Just because I say "fuzzy puppies", you can't take that to mean that all puppies are fuzzy. When arguing politics, I think it has to be give and take, and while you may stringently oppose the opposite view, you should at least give it a listen before labling it XYZ.

I do have to say - some of the people quickest to judge and label me closed minded are my left leaning friends. They're also the ones that most often take a statement to the worst possible meaning the fastest. Just sayin' :D

Isn't debate fun?!?

[simone]

Well, needless to say, I disagree strongly. But let's just leave it at that.

It will be most interesting in the next month or so with regard to the Democrats and then again, in the Fall. Fasten your seatbelts, everyone!

[brianb_cobbres]

Billary is no way a centrist, she just plays one on TV. You really need to read what she is proposing and not listen to how she spins it to the media.

We are now starting to see Obamas true liberal leanings as well with his recent plan to create jobs. You can read about it here.

http://www.miamiherald.com/campaign08/story/417769.html

"Obama explained that the money for his spending proposals will come from ending the Iraq war, cutting tax breaks for corporations, taxing carbon pollution and raising taxes on high income earners."

The war part I agree with but someone needs to explain to him that corporations do not pay taxes rather they are an expense passed on to consumers so in the end we the people are going to pay. Granted Bush totally blew it and proved he is not a financial conservative but the last thing we need in office is a tax and spend liberal. I need to look into where McCain stands spending issues.

New law. Total federal budget can be no greater than the previous years total revenue minus 10% which goes to paying down the national debt. Better yet minus 20% with half going to national debt and half going to paying back money taken from the social security fund and all future SS payments are not part of the general fund.

I am not a big fan of SS but it is not going away anytime soon.

[simone]

"Billary is no way a centrist, she just plays one on TV. You really need to read what she is proposing and not listen to how she spins it to the media."

With all due respect, please don't assume that just because people don't agree with you on the issues, that they are in some way less informed than you are. (I think Tim suggested I go to the library and read up on an issue.) Sorry to take offense but I just need to point out to both of you how very closely on the line you both are with sounding patronizing. I apologize if that sounds harsh...In short, I consider myself very well read, fairly well-informed on the issues, have lived and worked in many other countries around the world (so I have other cultural and political perspectives that shape my opinions) and I was a political science major.

We just simply disagree and have a different political philosophy. Okey Dokey?

[Debbie]

Honor the lady's wishes, please.

Thanx.

[brianb_cobbres]

"Billary is no way a centrist, she just plays one on TV. You really need to read what she is proposing and not listen to how she spins it to the media."

With all due respect, please don't assume that just because people don't agree with you on the issues, that they are in some way less informed than you are. (I think Tim suggested I go to the library and read up on an issue.) Sorry to take offense but I just need to point out to both of you how very closely on the line you both are with sounding patronizing. I apologize if that sounds harsh...In short, I consider myself very well read, fairly well-informed on the issues, have lived and worked in many other countries around the world (so I have other cultural and political perspectives that shape my opinions) and I was a political science major.

We just simply disagree and have a different political philosophy. Okey Dokey?

Not patronizing at all. I made that statement based on one of your earlier posts in which you wrote "This is simply incorrect. She has repeatedly said that if one likes the plan they currently have" which implies you were listening to her spin. So yep, lets agree to disagree.

[brianb_cobbres]

I certainly didn't mean it in a patronizing way. I simply meant her socialist history is fully documented and most well stocked libraries would have the documented evidence.

But, yes, let's just agree to disagree because even though we were talking about Hilary here, I don't have much respect and very little support for McCain. He is a RINO.

Yeah McCain scares me as well. In the end who really is the lesser of the evils?

[simone]

Fair enough guys.

See you on other threads!!! I don't know about you, but learning about RE is so much more interesting (and rewarding) than rehashing political arguments and philosophies over and over again. See you around...

[KCHomebuyers]

Good call Simone I tink this thread is quickly headed to:

http://www.nebulus.org/funpics/a-bomb.jpg

After all, I know that i'm still 100% right ;)

Move along people, nothing to see here!

[credit coach]

I'm new to your forum (our forum) but I've thought a bit about this.
War is the most unsettling component of this economy.
I voted for Ron Paul in the primary here in FL because the dems couldn't agree to count the delegates. Dr. Paul calls for a return to the Constitution but he's not even a long shot in the general election. He calls for oversight at the central bank. He wants cameras in the Fed. Can you imagine?
I can't vote for a 100 year war so that's it for McCain.
Even though she's not a man I feel that Hillary has had to become a member of the "good old boy" network even if she did so grudgingly.
Uncertainty and fear keep the bottom of this very important real estate downturn clouded and squishy. If I was going to vote for optimism and change, right now I'd say that I'm a Republican for Obama. Go figure. We can't keep going with these same failed strategies and expect meaningfull change. That's my two cents.

[credit coach]

Tim,
Apparently, when upset by hyperbole you resorted to name calling.
I'd like to play nice, here.
Defending the secretive Fed is not really necessary.
Their controls are limited but the effects are profound.
It seems more likely to me that this is an economic war on China,
that we will spend our way out of recession
and once again wealth is successfully consolidated.
All I hope for is that our great country,
so devastated by failed policies
doesn't end up completely bankrupted in the process.
Nice forum.

[Debbie]

.... you resorted to name calling.....

Are you referring to "idiot"?

I'm sorry. I've often used that word to people who deserves that "name".

So, I'm not clear on why/how Tim is name calling?


Nice forum.

Dan deserves the biggest credit since he's the one who created this website. Now, Dan and I try to keep it a nice forum. Hence, thank you for the compliment!

[credit coach]

I thought we'd be describing our political leanings.

Expanded transparency and accountability at the Federal Reserve didn't cause the sub-prime mortgage and credit fiasco, did it? If I stepped on toes here, then I apologize. I am concerned about our military commitments.

I was concerned about NAFTA. Lots of people called Perot a "nut" or worse. We marched in step and the "giant sucking sound" will be taught in your grand-children's history lessons, I hope.

Demonizing a spokesperson for offering challenging views is dismissive and those types of "blinders" inhibit our vision. We're all creative types in here. Let's at least consider alternatives and help one another spread HOPE, whether it's through an interesting "short-sale as lease-option" or however you see a solution to a problem. Let's keep sharing ideas.

[Jim FL]

I'm new to your forum (our forum) but I've thought a bit about this.
War is the most unsettling component of this economy.
I voted for Ron Paul in the primary here in FL because the dems couldn't agree to count the delegates. Dr. Paul calls for a return to the Constitution but he's not even a long shot in the general election. He calls for oversight at the central bank. He wants cameras in the Fed. Can you imagine?
I can't vote for a 100 year war so that's it for McCain.
Even though she's not a man I feel that Hillary has had to become a member of the "good old boy" network even if she did so grudgingly.
Uncertainty and fear keep the bottom of this very important real estate downturn clouded and squishy. If I was going to vote for optimism and change, right now I'd say that I'm a Republican for Obama. Go figure. We can't keep going with these same failed strategies and expect meaningfull change. That's my two cents.

When you mentioned Ron Paul, you lost me completely.

100 year war?
Who said that?
McCain Did say we'll most likely have troops in the mideast for at least the next 100 years............but not a 100 year war.
Heck, we still have troops in, Japan, Korea, and all over Europe............

Next we'll read here about an abduction experience.............

Last time someone told me they had been abducted by aliens, I corrected them...........it's not really an abduction, when even they send you back.

where's that cat with the foil on his head?...........now THERE is a good idea.

have a nice day,
Jim FL

[credit coach]

Jim FL,
Anheuser Busch is building 4 theme parks in Dubai. ADIA is "secretly" buying a trillion dollars in US equities thorough on-shore, sovereign soil in America. We're obviously watching different news. I don't want to judge these events, just acknowledge them, and profit from the trends so my investment portfolio has a chance of surviving this bloodletting.

FICO scam, Interest rape, and the demonization of unscrupulous Borrowers that didn't read their fine print and new lows for the dollar, yet Bernanke announces further cuts. To me, it feels like a team of magicians, with office towers full of boilerplate that can use slight of hand to periodically fleece the public and offer pox laden blankets as band aids. I could be wrong.

FICO must change but I doubt it will change in favor of the consumer. It will get more complex, more cumbersome and less user friendly. If we don't want to talk about the invisible hand behind the curtain okay but to label whistle blowers as conspiracy theorists is a dangerous first step that civilizations take at the end of their run. Halliburton, Busch, and so many other have already "emigrated" to the UAE.

In this country we seem to have three groups. One group doesn't know what's going on and doesn't care. The other two seem diametrically opposed. Hawks and doves. Either you believe the world is a survival of the fittest, strike first, invade and pillage, fight them over there OR you might believe that there is a path toward a unified planet. President Reagan was fond of saying we need reasons to drop our borders, our petty differences and recognize that we are one people, one planet. He wasn't talking about monetary policy but that would be a great place to start.

NAFTA: When the jobs left (never to return) big corporations made a lot of money and families, cities, regions lost their momentum. Illegals didn't cause that and are unfairly demonized in an effort to distract attention from the status quo, harvesting of wealth.

I'm interested in helping people keep their piece of the pie, stay in their homes and qualify for refinancing by helping them correct errors on their reports. Although I've enjoyed reading the comments in this thread, I need to concentrate on the people who are losing their way right now. They don't have time to read and study the changes as they occur. That's one of the big problems. The entire financial world changed, while they were watching Paris and OJ. Now it's panic time.

I'm not trying to change your opinions, just describe mine.
If we try to reach out to our brethren around the world, there's no harm.
The danger is that great power requires great responsibility, not just great, brutish displays that infuriate our neighbors.